Groups 1 and 2, please answer the following questions in paragraph form. Compose your interpretations on an MSW document first, and then edit with care before you post!
Group 1: What do you think of Creon now that you've seen him interact with his son, Haimon? Also, what are your thoughts about Haimon and the Choragos?
Group 2: We know that Ode 3 relates to Aphrodite (goddess of love and beauty); however, what does the first stanza mean (Strophe) and who or what is being addressed? Also, discuss the second stanza (Antistrophe). What is this last section of Ode 3 all about? Explain!
Finally, be prepared to identify and discuss significant literary devices that are employed in Scene 3, Ode 3.
In the first stanza, the author is speaking about Aphrodite, who is shown in this stanza as someone who uses love as a powerful tool, but love is unconquerable, and unmatched, and Aphrodite uses this brutally, as stated in line 16 "Merciless Aphrodite". Nobody, neither mortal nor immortal, can escape the power of love. The second stanza talks about Aphrodite being an unsparing god. She uses love to cause emotional pain to mankind. It says how man is innocent, and she is being too harsh.
ReplyDeleteIn this play I think that Creon is a bad leader. For example Creon shows really bad leadership after his son is talking to him about being more lenient towards his laws. He doesn’t think of others and he say his judgment is always right. He’s never wrong when actually no one is perfect. For example he says "With justice, when all that I do is within my rights" (774:112) I like Haimon so far in the story he’s the only one so far that wasn’t afraid to go against his father and tell him the truth. For instance he says, “You are not in a position to know everything that people say or do, or what they feel. You temper terrifies them” (771:58). As for Choragos I think that he is a neutral person. He doesn’t want to be on anyoneʻs bad side. He thinks that they are both right in someway. Like when he says “You will do well to listen to him, King, if what he says is sensible. And you, Haimon must listen to your father. Both speak well” (773:92) see he’s a kiss up.
ReplyDeleteThe first stanza refers to the power of Aphrodite and how she plays with the pure immortals when it comes to love. When Sophocles wrote, “Even the pure Immortals cannot escape you” (775:06) he gives reference to the different Gods and Goddess of Greece. Sophocles placed within the stanzas personification, hyperbole, and symbolism to illustrate the many forms that love could be presented. The second stanza of Ode 3 mainly talks about the path of destruction when one fall in love and the power that Aphrodite holds. Sophocles gives reference to Creon’s and Haimon’s fight over Antigone’s fate, creed, and actions. Towards the ending of the second stanza, Sophocles gives reference to both Antigone and Aphrodite, especially when he mentions “A girl’s glance working the will of heaven” (775:14).
ReplyDeleteThe main idea of Strophe is love, and how it can conquer anyone. Ode 3 reads, “Even the pure Immortals cannot escape you” (775:6). This addresses Zeus because he is an immortal and he falls in love. The first stanza also addresses everyone, because love is supreme.
ReplyDeleteThe second stanza talks about how you eventually fall apart. “Surely you swerve upon ruin” (775:9). This stanza connects to scene 3 because it also says, “Strike between father and son-“ (775). Creon and Haimon are in a dispute in scene 3 about Antigones fate. Haimon’s love for Antigone makes him step out of the way to argue with his father for Antigone.
Creon has a mind of his own, he only likes to hear what he wants to hear. A conflict occurs were he and his last son Haimon doesnʻt agree with the death of Antigone. Haimon takes part of Antigone being that they are together, while Creon takes part of his law that he has established. Being that Creon must follow his rule so his “image” wonʻt have a bad reputation on the city of Thebes, he picks the side of the killing Antigone. Haimon leaves his father with a message such as he never seeing his face again therefore leaving Creon hanging. Creon then feels the impact of that message as he loves his son dearly, and suggests to send Antigone to a far away forest. His personality is very strong minded towards what he wants and yet a very stubborn person towards listening to what others have to say. Haimon the son of Creon has the love for Antigone as he tries to persuade his father in resisting the death of Antigone. A man who is noble to his woman shall not plow with other hellcats as his father had suggested, instead he defends for his “bride” as a noble knight would. Haimon is so in love with his bride he is very much determined to convince his father that the death of Antigone before him shall not occur. Choragos a man superior to Creon, plays the role of a “suck up” therefore agreeing with all that his king has to say. He is so convinced that his king is right as he fendors for his king believing in what he thinks is correct. Haimon out of the three men I feel is the strongest minded as he pursues in what he wants. He is a noble man in which he is determined to save Antigone from death leaving his father with a “cliff hanger” quote.
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ReplyDeleteIn this scene Creon shows his temper while he is arguing with his son Haimon. He also shows more of how relentless he is to changing his law even for his son. Haimon in scene 3 is a very smart boy and he hears everything that is being said in the city unlike his father that is told everything that he wants to hear, which isnt the truth. In scene 3 “ Creon.You consider it right for a man of my years and experience to go to a school boy? Haimon. It is not right if i am wrong. But if i am yound, and right, what does my age matter? Creon. You think it right to stand up for an anarchist? Haimon. Not at all. I pay no respect to criminals. Creon. Then she is not a criminal? Haimon. The City would deny it, to a man. Creon. And the city proposes to teach me how to rule? Haimon. Ah. Who is it thatʻs talking like a boy now?” (773: 94-104). Haimon also uses his intelligence to trick his father into saying things against himself. The Choragos in scene 3 are staying on the neutral side of everything, agreeing with both Creon and Haimon
The first stanza refers to the gods and goddess. The first stanza says, “ Even the pure immortals cannot escape you, and mortal man, in his one day’s dusk, trembles before your glory” (775; 6-8). This line refers to the gods and goddess, but mostly to the god Zeus. It talks about no “immortal” can do fault without him knowing because he is the father of gods and men. The last stanza in Ode 3 is all about Aphrodite and although she is the goddess of love, she can ruin the relationships of family. Ode 3 states, “As here you have made bright anger strike between father and son” (775; 11 & 12). This shows how Aphrodite evokes issues between relatives.
ReplyDeleteThe first stanza is addressing Aphrodite, the goddess of love. The first line in the stanza states, “love unconquerable.” This means that love is very powerful and nothing else can overpower it. The next line, “Even the pure immortals cannot escape you.” This is referring to the gods, for example Zeus(775:5-6). Even though he is the most powerful god, he still can fall for loves spell.
ReplyDeleteThe last section of Ode 3 is about Aphrodite. The lines, “strike between father and son, and none has conquered but love” represent the argument between Creon and his son Haimon(775:12-13). At the end, none will win the argument but love. The last two lines, “Pleasure to her alone mocks us, Merciless Aphrodite.” This states that Aphrodite gets all the love she wants, but at the same time mocks all the men who fall for her beauty. (775:15-16)
In Scene 3, I feel that Creon is still the same as he was. Personally I think that Creon needs to expand his knowledge and learn from other resources. Creon is the type of person that thinks they know everything and thinks that whatever knowledge he obtains everyone else has that same knowledge. I think that Creon has to learn more about his position and what his position has to offer his people. Haimon shows a sense of defensiveness as well as being supportive. Haimon is the type of person when he believes in something he goes after that belief and protects and/or defends that belief. I like how he has the sense of being true to his dad but also tells his father (Creon) what he might have to work on and what he is doing well in. For example, when Antigone had broken the law he thought that this was wrong but after over thinking it he found that what Antigone had done was not wrong at all. I think that Choragos is what people calls the middle man, like how he always sides with the person of higher rank but also sides with what he believes in. I describe Choragos as a suck up or someone who does and says everything that the person of higher rank wants him to say or do. Overall I think that the strongest character out of the three characters is Haimon because he is the most strong-willed person and protects in what he believes. Creon not so much because he still has to learn a lot about being King. Choragos has to pick a side and stick with that side because in the future if he is still the same suck up he is he might get the people of Thebes angry.
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